Most people that live in WH space have very expensive implants in their heads, these people are not going to want to jump into a ship that costs 100x less than one of their implants to risk it on a null blob.

Sort out clone swapping within a WH (new module to store different clones possibly) so that people can jump into a clean clone and not have to worry about their implants, until then I donGÇÖt think you will see the massive numbers of WH based frig roams you are looking for.

can you explain your reasoning in "frigate" only? I just dont see this doing anything. Up in classes where people have capitals youd need a extremely large blob to even bother anyone

are multi-bubble heavy dictors allowed intentionally or what. is it like it makes no sense for them to be let through, but you don't want to bother messing with them because they're terrible anyway?

Seems like an interesting addition but i don't really see the advantage of only being able to take frigates to fight the guys you are connected to... seems like it's a case of taking a knife to a gun fight.

Fozzie, please don't ignore this comment:

simple solution would be removing the speed/agility/mass changes on hictor points and just have them disable prop mods. wtb heavy dictor rebalance, they're stupid.

Flying cheap frigates in wormspace would be nice if my pod wasn't worth twice as much as most frigates I could fly.

Mobile depo?

Well the issue I see is that this restricts one side to frigates, while the other will still just fleet up as normal. 2 guardians and 1 proteus can easily handle 4X their numbers in small ships ( less if you bring kitsunes I suppose), but since the other side isnt forced to use just small ships they probably wont.

You'd not be limited to a single pass so on a theoretical level you can haul in however much you want. Or have a dedicated module/ammo/whatever hauler. People are quite resourceful when it comes to taking advantage of possibilities to turn the tables to their side.

Not that effective against frigates? perhaps not. Against destroyers, much more so..

Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying they should be barred from entering. I'm just saying they may give an unfair advantage in some cases.

Fozzie, as far as I can tell all of these changes (including the other threads) are good if not great.

To address people's pod worries, it would be nice if we could use rorquals to switch pods in wormholes. Maybe when the rorqual gets updated?

Totally like the idea, good job!

I disagree with players stating to do something about clone jumping in WH.. Making it easier to bring high value implants in WH simply facilitates settling WHs.
Now having a medical bay to respawn in a WH (after being podded) is something I can get along with as a middle ground, as long it belongs within a manned ship and not a structure (a T2 orca for example...)

I feel like I should point out that a mobile depot allows access to infinitely sized Hictor combat fleets. 2000 Phobos (Phobi?) could come through a hole and refit to 100% guns. A much more powerful force than frigates alone.

I'm not sure if that's a problem, since it would take time to move that way and it would be a slow force. It'd also have a weak point in that any logi support would be frigates only. But I thought it might be worth mentioning.

Yeah the more i think about this addition the less i like it. I hate how popular interceptors have become in k-space due to their op mechanics, and the last thing i want to see is wormhole space full of ceptors...

I think this wormhole would be better suited to a new class of wormhole system. A system that has no moons to anchor a POS and profitable PVE that can be ran by a strong frigate fleet.

What really is the point of having regenerating mass wormholes? Just so things "stay open?"
I would say a kind of established "wormhole meta" that persists across many sci-fi platforms (including EVE) is "you never know when a wormhole will close." The big event in the lore with the EVE Gate was that it closed suddenly and without warning.
If CCP wants to change things up with this type of wormhole, just have it spawn with a variable mass limit and (if desired) variable time limit. Keep all the mass and time warnings of course, just scale the time one appropriately (instead of EOL being 4 hours, have it be X% of the remaining time). If a local wants to collapse it, they can just take the time (and risk) of rolling it with destroyers.

This way it will be a lot more dynamic. If people want to roll the dice and go for it they can, instead of being "Hey look one of our targets has one of those uncollapsable holes and it's not EOL, so take your time so we can seed all of our scouts in."

They wouldn't have to worry about some one closing the hole so I don't really see why they wouldn't

Especially for those living in C4 - You are:
adding a static
adding indestructible WH fountains for fleets of frigates (yeah.. bombers..) with Hdic support
allowing PVP corps to gather a whole fleet on a hole before opening it
"More randomly spawning wormholes"...

This game has a SERIOUS problem with PVE. PVP is cool.. I guess.. but I am interested in PVE.. and one of the last places with any at all decent PVE is in WH space, and you are now making it MUCH worse. This will un-sub people.

With the existing mechanics you can close the hole to prevent them streaming in reinforcements but with this new wormhole, you don't have that option.

A 400 man fleet could easily maintain system control while they wait for their pos bashing fleet to arrive.

Unless I am mistaken the second rule of EVE is don't fly what you can't afford to lose. The first rule is that no place is truly safe. Did you not understand these two rules when you bought your implants?

If you have expensive implants it's because you need them for their effect I hope, if you have them for bragging rights only then getting blown up could be very bad for you. If they are functional then they should have paid for themselves many times over by now.

The third rule of EVE is unless you are the biggest null sec alliance accept your role as prey and no whining, see rules one and two if you are still confused.

I'll bring this up because it needs to be said.

Should these uncloseable frig wormholes be able to have a anytype of kspace (in this case, nullsec) connection?

We are not talking about any type of newbie friendly activity here, and the main concern is a flood of hundreds and hundreds of frigates wadding down a wormhole corp.

Should these be able to connect to nullsec? Because currently, they can.

More random WH's, that looks nice, although time will say if that means increasing conectivity too much.

New small ship WH's... They look very interesting, although they're also potentially cataclysmic, especially since they are virtually un-collapsable. Time will say, too.
On the other hand, they do open funny content:

- For frigates and destroyers: flying small, fast ships in a swarm and use them for wreaking havoc is funny and easy/cheap to do. Especially if you happen to land on one of the new Wolf-Rayets...

- For battleships and other large ships: I'd personally take a group of smartbombing BS' and put them close to the new WH, and start cycling the smartbombs as soon as I hear the "jumping through" sound. Can end up laughing like a maniac, especially if you are in a Red Giant...

EDIT: That said, I find the regenerating abilty of these WH's dangerously close to WH Stabilizers. I think the fact they can only allow small ships but have good total mass capacity fine enough for allowing lots of small ships to fit through and back, and only them. That mass limit could still be increased a bit, if we remove the regeneration.

The pod issue is a non issue. don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it. EVE is meant to have significant consequences. It is not connected to the value of your ship in any way. Wormholes don't have jump clones *maybe someday but likely never* and you just have to deal with operating in a frontier like area.

If some pilot pops your pod...so what? That isn't CCP's problem unless there's an exploit being used and there is a game breaking bug that happens at the time. So assuming the game mechanics are used properly and work properly you have no right to call for such a benefit...just because you chose to fly a frigate.

If you want to swap out your pod you go to empire space and jump clone. There is already a mechanic that solves your issue and a skill that reduces the time between jump clones to 19 hours at level 5.

Yes, make it crittable but not collapsible, I see, i like it, but still, will this prevent blobs? Maybe make it crit with 30 frig jumps, then it will have delayed regen. meaning, if you jump your enyo fleet, you'll only retreat after 2 hours.

You know that it's only a matter of time now before every wormhole from the lowliest C1 to Polaris is overrun by a thousand meta0 fit atrons, don't you?